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ATaylor Swiftalbum is just not a collection of new music, its an exploration of a theme.

Each album propels fans to find covert lyrical connections to her personal life and Easter eggs to past compositions.

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All these retro-synth sounds are supported by down-tempo dance rhythms like we heard on Lavender Haze.

If theres one through-line on this record, its the bass sound.

Do you know what thats called?

Nate Sloan:Its called … a sludge thunder bass?

Its called a Reese bass.

It was first created by Kevin Reese Saunderson in 1988 for his track Just Want Another Chance.

However, Saunderson wasnt really recognized for it.

From there, it became a sort of quintessential element of the jungle and drum-and-bass sound.

you’re free to also notably hear it in Burials Archangel.

CH:That Reese bass has become a mainstay in pop music.

Its not unusual to hear that particular bass sound, but it is all overMidnights, from Question …?

to Anti-Hero to Karma and everything in between.

For me, it connects the world ofMidnightsto the dance genres that originated this sound.

It makes these songs feel like late-night club tracks, even though many of the beats are down-tempo.

Can I throw out a perhaps obtuse analogy here?

CH:Of course.

NS:I think Reese bass is sort of equivalent to thesandwormsinDune.

Its under the surface; you almost dont really hear it clearly, you only see the sand moving.

You only get a sort of hint of what that creature that sound might look like.

Its always a little bit out of reach.

Maybe its something about the way its filtered or side-chained …

But something about it is untouchable; its unreachable.

CH:Its subterranean.

NS:The bass is sort of there but also not.

This excerpt has been edited and condensed.