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In the episode, Ratajkowski and Fox discuss many things: bell hooks, fashion week, writingtheir memoirs.

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But their discussion of men is what shook me to my core.

Not to brag, but I have some insanely hot friends.

I do not envy the lifestyle.

The momentgot clipped on TikTokand struck a chord with viewers.

Its a joke but one with real pain behind it.

This extends to the relationships both women have with the fathers of their children.

Fox went on along Instagram rantabout how feckless her ex Peter Artemiev was, calling him a deadbeat dad.

Ratajkowski is in the process of leaving her husband,Sebastian Bear-McClard.

Theres no room for trust in their hearts; scar tissue takes up all available space.

EmRatas podcast in general is very good, and her chat with real-life bestie Ziwe is another must listen.

They are so, so tired of guarding themselves.

And the more famous they get, the weirder strangers are going to be to them.

I have teared up recapping EmRatas podcast at brunch, and for that I thank her and Julia Fox.

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